Comments on: Sankey Diagram Shapes for Visio http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/ Smart graphics for visual people. Visio Guy offers Microsoft Visio shapes, stencils, templates, code, power user tips and programming advice and ShapeSheet examples for creating Visio SmartShapes. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:13:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Visio Guy » Top Visio Guy Posts http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-22830 Visio Guy » Top Visio Guy Posts Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:13:46 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-22830 [...] Sankey Diagram Shapes for Visio (5868) [...] [...] Sankey Diagram Shapes for Visio (5868) [...]

]]> By: Visio Guy » Blog Archive » Pre-wired Sankey Diagram Shapes http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-18324 Visio Guy » Blog Archive » Pre-wired Sankey Diagram Shapes Mon, 26 May 2008 07:01:09 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-18324 [...] been messing around with our Sankey Diagram Shapes for Visio, well, because we just couldn't [...] [...] been messing around with our Sankey Diagram Shapes for Visio, well, because we just couldn’t [...]

]]> By: Visio Guy http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-16745 Visio Guy Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:16:33 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-16745 Hey Dahveed, Thanks for the link to that diagram. I know it well, but had no idea what it was called, or who drew it. One of these days I'll have to create a Napolean's-march SmartShape :) Cheers, - Chris Hey Dahveed,

Thanks for the link to that diagram. I know it well, but had no idea what it was called, or who drew it. One of these days I’ll have to create a Napolean’s-march SmartShape :)

Cheers,

- Chris

]]> By: Dahveed http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-16627 Dahveed Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:15:49 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-16627 I have to say, although this has naught to do with the Visio Sankey tool itself: The classic, archetypal example of such a diagram, predating Captain Sankey's by 29 years, is Minard's 1869 diagram of Napoleon's troops advancing on (and then retreating from) Moscow in 1812-13. See http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard</a>. The width of the trunks represents the number of soldiers (not mass, energy, or volume). Edward Tufte, master of graphical portrayal of information, discusses Minard's diagram in his 1983 book <i>The Visual Display of Quantitative Information<i> and sells small posters of Minard's diagram. Or, you used to get one if you took Tufte's class. (I am not affiliated with Tufte; just a fan of his work.) I have been making such diagrams by hand occasionally in PowerPoint and calling them "Napoleon charts" for lack of a better term since I took Tufte's class years ago. Thanks for cluing me in to the real name! I have to say, although this has naught to do with the Visio Sankey tool itself: The classic, archetypal example of such a diagram, predating Captain Sankey’s by 29 years, is Minard’s 1869 diagram of Napoleon’s troops advancing on (and then retreating from) Moscow in 1812-13. See http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard. The width of the trunks represents the number of soldiers (not mass, energy, or volume). Edward Tufte, master of graphical portrayal of information, discusses Minard’s diagram in his 1983 book The Visual Display of Quantitative Information and sells small posters of Minard’s diagram. Or, you used to get one if you took Tufte’s class. (I am not affiliated with Tufte; just a fan of his work.) I have been making such diagrams by hand occasionally in PowerPoint and calling them “Napoleon charts” for lack of a better term since I took Tufte’s class years ago. Thanks for cluing me in to the real name!

]]> By: Sankey Diagrams » Blog Archive » Sankey Diagrams with Visio http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15985 Sankey Diagrams » Blog Archive » Sankey Diagrams with Visio Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:52:10 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15985 [...] Roth, the Visio Guy in his latest article focuses on the question whether Sankey diagrams can be drawn in Microsoft Visio. Can Visio do [...] [...] Roth, the Visio Guy in his latest article focuses on the question whether Sankey diagrams can be drawn in Microsoft Visio. Can Visio do [...]

]]> By: Visio Guy http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15975 Visio Guy Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:28:16 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15975 Hi Ted, You've nailed the next step here. But I think it would be hard to accommodate all the permutations in pre-built shapes. How many inputs? How many outputs? What colors? Do they come in from the sides or tops, do they exit from the sides or bottoms? Are the arrows straight or curved? And so on. I'm pretty sure that a proper, full-blown solution would utilize at least some code, if nothing else, for decent data-input dialogs, etc. Also, I think there are plenty of folks that want to get a quick Sandkey diagram drawn. That is, approximate, illustrative diagrams. That means not restricting everything to numbers, but allowing quick, manual resizing. I've been playing with a bunch of ideas, but frankly, the complete solution is too much work for a give-away :) Thanks for the input, though, - Chris Hi Ted,

You’ve nailed the next step here. But I think it would be hard to accommodate all the permutations in pre-built shapes. How many inputs? How many outputs? What colors? Do they come in from the sides or tops, do they exit from the sides or bottoms? Are the arrows straight or curved? And so on.

I’m pretty sure that a proper, full-blown solution would utilize at least some code, if nothing else, for decent data-input dialogs, etc.

Also, I think there are plenty of folks that want to get a quick Sandkey diagram drawn. That is, approximate, illustrative diagrams. That means not restricting everything to numbers, but allowing quick, manual resizing.

I’ve been playing with a bunch of ideas, but frankly, the complete solution is too much work for a give-away :)

Thanks for the input, though,

- Chris

]]> By: Ted http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15974 Ted Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:09:16 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15974 Not to nit pick here...but if some shape designer is going to go to the trouble of all this intelligence then why not enforce arrow size vs % of whole...ie custom properties (say 10) and let user put in % with 0% meaning not present. Use the percentage to determine arrow thickness and location. I bet this could be done without any VBA even (seen similar done on other shapes). Ie why not make a shape that is a a square with arrows coming out to the right based on above parameters? Not to nit pick here…but if some shape designer is going to go to the trouble of all this intelligence then
why not enforce arrow size vs % of whole…ie custom properties (say 10) and let user put in % with 0% meaning not present. Use the percentage to determine arrow thickness and location. I bet this could be done without any VBA even (seen similar done on other shapes).

Ie why not make a shape that is a a square with arrows coming out to the right based on above parameters?

]]> By: Visio Guy http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15971 Visio Guy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:00:20 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15971 Hi John, You have a sharp eye, sir! Thought I'd see what the response is to this post, and the user-comments and feedback, then perhaps develop something more sophisticated for Visio. It certainly seems to be something that Visio could use. - Chris Hi John,

You have a sharp eye, sir!

Thought I’d see what the response is to this post, and the user-comments and feedback, then perhaps develop something more sophisticated for Visio. It certainly seems to be something that Visio could use.

- Chris

]]> By: John Marshall http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15970 John Marshall Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:56:46 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15970 So how about using a 1-D shape is the lines can be bent? ;-) Or, is the presence of http://www.visguy.com/products/sankey/ an indication that you plan to add more gems on this subject? So how about using a 1-D shape is the lines can be bent? ;-)

Or, is the presence of http://www.visguy.com/products/sankey/ an indication that you plan to add more gems on this subject?

]]> By: Joe Mako http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15969 Joe Mako Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:30:46 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15969 This looks like a great response to elmoablaze and Paul Herber's post in the microsoft.public.visio.general newsgroup. Paul had pointed out making a Sankey diagram in Excel at <a href="http://www.doka.ch/sankey.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.doka.ch/sankey.htm</a>. Seeing Visio experts post tutorials in response to the newsgroup speaks volumes of the quality of people in the Visio community. Keep up the great work, I appreciate the insight. Best Regards, Joe Mako This looks like a great response to elmoablaze and Paul Herber’s post in the microsoft.public.visio.general newsgroup. Paul had pointed out making a Sankey diagram in Excel at http://www.doka.ch/sankey.htm. Seeing Visio experts post tutorials in response to the newsgroup speaks volumes of the quality of people in the Visio community. Keep up the great work, I appreciate the insight.

Best Regards,
Joe Mako

]]> By: Visio Guy http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15968 Visio Guy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:24:47 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15968 Jerry, I knew it was a mistake to push the "Publish" button before I had finished that last paragraph! Check back soon for the download... Cheers, Chris Jerry,

I knew it was a mistake to push the “Publish” button before I had finished that last paragraph! Check back soon for the download…

Cheers,

Chris

]]> By: Jerry Carlson http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/comment-page-1/#comment-15967 Jerry Carlson Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:17:26 +0000 http://www.visguy.com/2008/01/02/sankey-diagram-shapes-for-visio/#comment-15967 Love the 'blah' placeholder! Love the ‘blah’ placeholder!

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